(Note: Here is one more … be warned, you may find this tedious. I can’t tell you how difficult it is to not get sidetracked by a endless variety of questions and issues prompted by almost every answer provided by Dr. 58.
One could easily generate 20 pages of transcript just trying to figure out if these guys have indoor plumbing or not -- It’s really very exhausting and frustrating. It’s difficult to know what to pursue and what to let go.
Anyway, I’m sure many of you will have a lot of opinions, and maybe you’ll read different meanings into this than I have. I won’t provide my analysis of this material, that is, about what kind of society Dr. 58 lives in-- I’ll let all of you air your own thoughts… if you don’t die of boredom reading through this …)
Opening Statement: We are seeking communication with Dr. 58. Do your have the Hassas Grid orb charged today, Dr 58?
ANSWER: YOU MUST PAY CHITS
Question: (Groan). I take it we are speaking with the Arbiter of the Hassas Grid?
ANSWER: YOU MUST PAY 100 C-CHITS.
Question: Outrageous! Do you think C-Chits are gathered like dandelions?
ANSWER: PAY 100 CHITS.
Question: We’re wondering if “Arbiter” stand for “Arbitrary” in your case. How do we know that 100 Chits is a reasonable price?
ANSWER: I KNOW YOUR KIND, YOUR PLENUM. YOUR PLANET. THE COW MUST CHEW THE CUD AND EXCRETE THE MILK! PAY 100 CHITS!
Question: First give us some sense of value. How do we know your demand for 100 Chits is not wildly unrealistic?
ANSWER: CANKERS! YOU PLAY WITH IMPLEMENTS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Question: Enlighten us.
ANSWER: YOU CREATE AN ENERGY IMBALANCE IN THE UNIVERSE. YOU USE THE HASSAS GRID, THE ENERGY MUST BE BALANCED, YOU MUST PAY CHITS TO REBALANCE ENERGY TRANSFORMED BY THE HASSAS GRID.
Question: Fine. We offer you 10 freshly minted C-Chits, manufactured by the engine of my consciousness.
ANSWER: VERMIN EXCRESCENCE!
Question: Are you forgetting that Dr. 58 charges his glass orb with human chi? It seems to us that you are trying to play both ends.
ANSWER: DR. 58 WILL CHARGE HIS ORB. YOU WILL PAY 75 CHITS.
Question: We offer 25 Chits.
ANSWER: 25, BUT YOU PAY TRIPLE NEXT TIME.
Question: We’ll see. Please balance our energy account and let us through to Dr. 58.
ANSWER: YOU PLAY WITH WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND.
Question: You concern is heart warming. Dr. 58, are you at the Grid?
ANSWER: YES.
Question: Dr. 58, where do you have the Hassas Grid set up. In your home?
ANSWER: NO. MY PARENTS WOULD NOT APPROVE.
Question: What kind of home do you live in there in New York?
ANSWER: A STANDARD LODGE.
Question: A lodge? What is that like?
ANSWER: IT’S A LODGE. A PLACE OF DWELLING.
Question: Is it middle class? A luxury model lodge, or what?
ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
Question: Well, in our world, there is a certain division of classes based on economic wealth. Some people live in large, luxurious comfortable homes, while others live in cramped tiny apartments. Some don’t even have homes. They live on the streets. The majority of people live in more or less average dwelling that are neither penurious nor luxurious. Do you understand?
ANSWER: THAT’S ODD. I DON’T THINK I UNDERSTAND.
Question: Don’t you have different strata of society, the very rich, the very poor, the very powerful, the powerless?
ANSWER: ALL GOES ACCORDING TO HILL. THE HILL IS SUFFICIENTLY FLAT AND SO MOST SEE EACH OTHER.
Question: What is this hill you speak of?
ANSWER: IT’S SEEMS CRAZY TO ANSWER SUCH BASIC QUESTIONS. THE HILL BULGES OR FLATTENS. SOCIETY IS ON THE HILL.
Question: Are you speaking about some kind of real, physical hill or some kind of symbolic hill?
ANSWER: YOU CAN BE FRUSTRATING. YES, I GUESS THE HILL IS A SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION.
Question: Are there those who are positioned on the top of the hill? For example, Riggold Bannon, your Imperator?
ANSWER: THE IMPERATOR IS NOT JUDGED ON THE HILL.
Question: Well are there some individuals who command higher points on the hill relative to those who are lower?
ANSWER: YES, BUT THE HILL IS SUFFICIENTLY FLAT SO THERE IS NO GREAT DISTINCTION, AT LEAST IN AMERICA.
Question: What is your economy based on? I mean, can you name a major driving force of your general economy?
ANSWER: NO, I DON’T GET YOUR MEANING.
Question: Here in our world we have an economic system that is called capitalism. Do you know about this?
ANSWER: NO.
Question: Do you have money?
ANSWER: THERE IS MONEY.
Question: What do you do to obtain money?
ANSWER: I DON’T OBTAIN MONEY.
Question: You mean you don’t need to because you live at home with your parents?
ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
Question: What do your parents do to earn money?
ANSWER: THEY DON’T SPEND ANY TIME ON THAT.
Question: Let us ask you this. What do your parents do for work, for a job? What is their function in your society?
ANSWER: CELESTIAL AQUIFIERS.
Question: What’s that?
ANSWER: THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE BLUE-WHITE STARLIGHT OF THE QUETZAL CLUSTER.
Question: Are they astronomers, scientists who study the stars?
ANSWER: NO, I DON’T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE STAR AQUIFIERS. THEY INFUSE DEUTERO WATER WITH LIGHT FROM THE QUETZAL CLUSTER.
Question: They infuse some kind of water with starlight? Let us speculate: Your parents somehow expose a certain special kind of water to a certain kind of starlight. The water absorbs and/or stores or captures the starlight?
ANSWER: YES, BASICALLY.
Question: What is it used for?
ANSWER: IT IS MUCH PRIZED AND VALUED. AN INFUSED VESSEL OF STARLIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MUST HAVE, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
Question: It’s not all that obvious to us. I have to say, some kind of beautiful glass or crystal bottle that glows with actual starlight would seem to be a marvelous thing. Is that what it is? It is sort of like having a beautiful piece of art that is pleasing to own and behold?
ANSWER: ART, YES, BUT MORE THAN THAT. THERE ARE MANY INTIMATIONS AND SOCIAL VALUES OF STAR AQUATICS.
Question: Can you drink this water?
ANSWER: JESUS CHRIST, NO, IT’S NOT FOR DRINKING! I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. STAR WATER INFORMS HUMAN VALUE.
Question: Like, for example, having some really high grade star water can enhance one’s personal prestige?
ANSWER: IT ESTABLISHES CONTEXT AND MEANING FOR PEOPLE RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER. IT PROVIDES TEXTURE TO SOCIETY. TEXTURE AND CONTEXT. IT’S SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW EACH OTHER IN MORE SUBTLE CONTEXT.
Question: Well, how does it do that?
ANSWER: I DON’T THINK I CAN EXPLAIN THAT. MAYBE I COULD THINK ABOUT IT. IT’S DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THINGS THAT ARE SO FUNDAMENTAL. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THERE IS AIR.
Question: Okay, okay, don’t worry about it. Let me ask this: What is your system of money? You say that you have money. Let’s ask a basic question: Do you buy or obtain food with money?
ANSWER: YOU ARE A CRAZY DAEMON! NO! WHY?
Question: Well, in our world we use money as the fundamental symbolic system for wealth. For example, a dollar, a unit of money, may represent a certain amount of food. When we are hungry, we would exchange that dollar with a food dealer to obtain food to eat. Most people can’t get food without money. What do you think?
ANSWER; IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. I ASK A BASIC QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS FOOLISH. WHY CAN’T ANYONE PLANT A FIG TREE AND EAT IT’S FRUIT? WOULD YOU GIVE THE TREE MONEY?
Question: Ha, ha! Goldang, it Dr. 58, I’m really starting to like you. Yes, well, people actually do that, and yes, granted, there are people on our planet who do not use a monetary system to obtain food. For example, there are primitive tribes in the South American rain forests, who hunt and gather all their food. You can’t tell me that you are a hunter and gatherer society! You have technology, like jets and satellites, right?
ANSWER: WE DON’T HUNT AND GATHER. WE HAVE ADVANCED FAR BEYOND THAT. FOOD IS PRODUCED READILY EVERYWHERE AND IT TAKES NO EFFORT TO GET IT. IF YOU WANT TO SEEK BISON IN THE MIDLAND COMMONS, THAT’S ANYONE’S BUSINESS.
Question: I beginning to think your world is far more pastoral than ours. In our world, New York is a huge city with massive buildings, skyscrapers, lots of highways and traffic. Very little food is produced within the city. Food is grown in outlying areas, in rural areas, then shipped into the city for people to buy with money. How does this sound to you?
ANSWER: I DON’T QUITE GET YOUR MEANINGS. WE HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS, YES, BUT WHAT ARE THESE INSTRUMENTS THAT SCRAPE THE SKY?
Question: Ha, ha! Skyscrapers are very tall building, hundreds and thousands of feet tall! It’s just a term. You don’t have those? They house offices for conducting business and apartments for human dwelling.
ANSWER: NO, NOTHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE FUTURE? WHAT ARE THESE TALL BUILDING FOR?
Question: Egad!!! While interesting, this is rather tedious, yet we still want to figure out just what kind of world you have over there! The skyscrapers house both business and private residents. What is your system of government? You have an Imperator, we know. But do you live in a democracy?
ANSWER: YES, A DEMOCRACY.
Question: It doesn’t sound like you have strict division of economic strata among your people. Is everyone more or less equal?
ANSWER: IN WHAT WAY?
Question: (More groans). Let us switch gears again slightly. In our world, our leader, the President lives in what we call the White House. You live in an America, too. Does your Imperator rule from the White House? And what city is your national capital located?
ANSWER: THE IMPERATOR RULES FROM THE LONG HOUSE. THE CAPITOL IS HERE IN NEW YORK.
Question: Well, I guess New York was at first our capital as well. Now it’s in a city called Washington. Why is the Imperator’s primary residence called the Long House? Do you know?
ANSWER: I THINK IT IS TRADITION HANDED DOWN FROM THE HAUDENOS.
Question: Who or what is the Haudenos?
ANSWER: A NATIVE NATION OF PEOPLE. PEOPLE NATIVE TO HERE.
Question: Aha. So the Haudenos were Native Americans, and Indian tribe? You know, this rings a bell. I think the tribe know as the Iroquois was called something like the Haudenos. We’ll look it up later. I bet you are talking about the Iroquois Nation or Iroquois Confederacy. But, anyway, the Haudenos were Indians, right?
ANSWER: NO, THEY WERE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NATIVE TO THE AMERICAS. THEY WERE NOT FROM THE INDIAN KINGDOMS.
Question: Jeepers. There term Indian is a common way to refer to Native Americans in our world. I guess it is sort of a misnomer. It’s use was coined by a great sea fairer Christopher Columbus. He is the man who discovered the Americas in our year of 1492. He originally thought he had landed in the Indies, and so called the natives Indians. That’s not the case in your world?
ANSWER: NO.
Question: Who were the first people who were not native to the Americas to come to America, do you know what we mean?
ANSWER: YES, THOR THRALL SEA WARRIORS WERE THE FIRST TO BRIDGE THE CULTURES ACROSS THE OCEANS.
Question: Ah! That sound distinctly Scandinavian! We know here that a Viking sea farer by the name of Leif Erikson was probably the first to the Americas. That was about 500 hundred years before Columbus, but their settlements were never sustained. The Europeans then lost touch with and knowledge of the new world after that.
(and so it goes on …)
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